You are a wonderful person in my opinion..although I don't know you well..Wonderful from what I have seen so far.
Your article in the paper was so kind and caring. You made a lot of us take a stand on the shunning treament from other JW family members...We do NOT deserve to be shunned!.They are wrong..not us! And even though I have not been shunned ..I always know what they are thinking..they drop plenty of hints!
And I don't think you have let any more buttons be pushed than anyone else has!...We all have them. We just try to control the ones we can..the others well...too bad!..We have to let off steam once in a while!.
The way I see the shunning issue..NO JW will make it to the "New World!" because of their unloving actions. So what use is their religion?.....
Well for my experience..it was all the referred links. I loved them! I couldn't get enough of them. It showed me the reasons that I felt the WTBTS and JW's were so wrong in their teachings.It was so good to have some concrete facts to back up my doubts about the organization! I was like a sponge soaking up water!.
It all happened all of a sudden. We got a computer and my non JW daughter E Mailed me an address to a XJW site. I have been reading and posting ever since. (Almost 2 years).
I dont think I will continue to come here later. Hubby has terminal cancer and I will have no other contact with his JW family...no love lost...
I want to try and forget all the pain and problems their religon has created in my life!..
They got me when I was young and vulnerable!..But it's going to be time to move on! I am older and wiser now.
maybe someone can offer an answer to a question i have, that no witness as of yet has been able to answer me satisfactorily.
how can jw's even think about denying their baby or child a blood transfusion in a life or death situation?
i would think that when elder pious says, "you know brothers, sisters, jehovah god does not want us to take blood, even in seemingly deadly situations.
And then 5 or 10 years down the road..they say "Whoops we have new light..it's OK now!"...
I think people should take in knowledge and research both sides of an issue and make their own decisions. Not fear some "Religious Organization".
And this should be done "Before" an emergency strikes!
Since Hubby has been sick..we talk about things we never talked about before...and we should have!
How many people have made legal arangements in case something happens to them?..What happens to their children? And I don't mean just asking a friend or relative to take them..I mean a legal arrangement. Where you can write out your wishes for the child or children.
Important things should be talked about..decided on..arranged..and thats it!..A worry off your mind.
Including what to do if the family member or loved one dies. Hubby and I never talked about it. I just assumed he and I would be buried side by side in the family plot...But he wants to be cremated. And his ashes spread out at the kingdom hall...Not my choice..but his decision.
And all he knew how to say was"No blood!".Without talking about it I wouldn't have learned of the aternatives!
Many don't want Blood for other reasons..but people need to express their wishes BEFORE the emergency!
I have no idea how to get it. Maybe someone on another board will get access to it.
I just finished writing a letter to the WTBTS about their loving concern (Not)for my JW hubby. So much so they have only visited him once in 3 months.I referred to their "Loving religion" several times..I imagine he WILL finally get some "spiritual " help that he needs.
I told them I realized they had a lot of obligations..such as redecorating the assembly hall right around the corner. After all..they work on it ALL day and they get tired!...
I wouldn't even have bothered if he didn't believe it was the "True Religon" and his life in Paradise ... depends on them praying for him!
I also did it because it makes him feel better if they come around. Kind of like "Jehovah" likes him....Yeah...I know.
So what is your view of the matter as presented in the Feb. magazine?. I read it and got totally frustrated. It seemed like a lot of double talk!..Unless I am just really, really stupid!
To scream or not to sream...I read it before hubby did. (A JW) . He and I got totally different opinions from the article.
So I ask for interpretations of the JW's latest views. Anyone?
No pictures could have made me stop.I was too addicted. When I went in for a check-up the Dr. told me if I didn't quit..I would be a candidate for Emphysema in 5 years! He also gave me a prescription for Wellbutrin. I wanted a cigarette but I didn't climb the walls. I just got busy untill I forgot about it. The Wellbutrin helped with the anxiety of not having a cigarette when I wanted one. I took it for 3 months and that was it!
It is a hard habit to break. My Mom was a heavy smoker and when she died of cancer..she was mentally out of it. Yet she still imitated smoking a cigarette!. While she was laying in her hospital bed..she was playing like she was holding something on her chest .(Ashtray) Then she would move her fingers to her mouth and back. I finally figured out what she was doing..smoking an imaginary cigarette. She even flicked the ashes! And she was out of it in her mind. She couldn't speak or recognize anyone.
So I have always wondered how out of it she was. Or if this was such an out of control habit that she did it subconsciously?
Now Hubby has lung cancer..I never smoked in the house or car or around him..or any other non-smoker.....so it wasn't from second hand smoke. But they think it is from his job. In concrete they use a lot of chemicals like lime..and he had to breathe those all these years. They will probably do a detailed biopsy on his lung ...later... to find out which chemicals caused the cancer.
Interesting enough..it is called "Envionmental Cancer".
The Dr said 20 percent of all lung cancers are in Non-smokers! That shocked the heck out of me!
Snoozy.....
PS...by the way..what is all those little letters and numbers for under our names? Some new ID thing?
Edited by - Golden Girl on 23 December 2002 23:51:14
years ago we were advised in england that computers were frowned upon not to bother with them,anyhow i never listened & therfore we bought into the computer market,we were allso advised not to spend to much time with televisions,of which i took alittle note got rid of it for six months,it gave us back family time ,any how as you guesed it the persuasion came from the local elders ,(geting rid of things.).
we then decided to buy a caravan ,yes this was frowned upon ,as we wanted weekends away to enjoy life with the family,people complained that we wouldnot be able to meet for field service transgresing against jehovah stealing his time,anyhow we went out and bought a 23 foot twin wheel caravan the one you have to pull behind a car or jeep.. we visited lots of areas of natural beauty in england .but the story now gets interesting ,we ended up storing our caravan down in summerset ,we had great times at the site meeting all types of different people & familys,we met a special middle aged couple & there famiy became good friends,the husband has developed cancer ,has been given six months to live,he was left for deadby the hospital with no hope of seeing next christmas or beyond,, he had cancer in his liver ,i found a article on the internet wherby a (cancer surgeon ) had a way of operating on the liver ,i informed my friend ,gave his wife the contact address,and three weeks later he is booked in for an operation that will save & prolong his life,the surgeon is going to starve the infected cancerouse liver then remove the slight infected other liver which will then start to grow ,kapow a new lease of lifeto a man who was resigned for death.. my point here is.. if,we had listened to the society, (about bad associations ).
Our Liver has two lobes.(Parts or sections) If one is infected with cancer ..the cancerous part can be removed and the patient can survive on the other half of the liver. Unfortunately..my hubby has cancer in BOTH lobes. Plus it is spilling over into the ducts. Also..Liver cancer by itself is VERY rare. It almost always comes from somewhere else first.(Hubby's came from the lung ) I hope your friend was checked out VERY carefully. As it could have originated and be hiding somewhere else.
And you are right! The liver can regenerate itself..if there is anything left to regenerate!Unfortunately.. in hubby's case there is next to nothing left of the liver. and most chemo goes through the liver..which means they were very limited to what they could give him wthout destroying any good liver cells that were left.Thus shortning his life even more!We had an option to use a new experimental chemo..but it went through the liver and they said it could kill him right away. He decided not to do that.The chemo did work on the lung however!
The really sad part in our case is that I just got copies of all his medical records..On one of the Drs. reports..with his regular visits..I noticed the Dr wrote down..patient complains of "Dry Cough". This was wrote on 4 separate visits..Now why the Dr ignored the smptoms..is beyond me!.
Also..when hubby went to get his teeth cleaned the dentist urged him to go see the Dr about a "White spot" on his throat. Which he did! The Dr even wrote it on his chart..but I remember asking hubby about it when he came out. I asked him what the Dr said about his White spot". He said the Dr didn't even look at his throat..(But he did write it on hubbys chart)
I blew up!I went to the Nurses desk and asked why..when a patient comes in to get a spot on their throat checked ..the Dr doesn't even look at their throat?
They just shrugged their shoulders and starred at me. I guess hubby was embarrased and just said."Lets go".
What's funny is the Dr kept pushing hubby to have a colon scope done. (Where they examine your lower intestines...). And he always yelled at hubby for not having that done...Well we found out later that part was fine..The Dr should have been looking into a chest X ray for hubby....might have saved HUBBY's life!(The cancer started in his lung..Non-smoker)
Snoozy...aka...Golden Girl
Edited by - Golden Girl on 22 December 2002 5:11:10
hi all - i know i haven't posted here in a very long time and unfortunately the reason why hasn't been good.. life was good throughout the summer, travel, college, excitement.
until one day i was sitting in my first class airline seat (i'm a big-time frequent business flyer) on the way back from kansas city and i noticed a lump under my arm.
i went to the doctor and was told it was nothing and they took it out.
Well it's been over a month!..I missed this reply...
Are you feeling better Zenpunk? Are they giving you vitamins and Thyroid medicine?. That might take care of the lump in the throat feeling.White cells up usually means an infection somewhere.
i am very interesting in the documentation provide by the watchtower to hlc's member.. i need real scan or even original's copy, it is very important, i can't talk about it today.
Hubby had to talk to some in the committee when he was in the hospital. They wanted to make sure he "Didn't get blood forced on him!"
They recommended the Drs. for him to see. I believe the Drs. they recommend are just Drs. that go along with the blood issue. It doesn't mean they are more qualified than any other Drs. Sometimes I think it is just the opposite. The Drs. need patients so bad they will agree to anything!...JMO
After he got out of the hospital..we never saw them again!. Well actually we only had one member visit.
We also ..before he went in..had to hunt them down . They were working on the assembly hall around the corner. Then they couldn't find a copy of the "DPA for health care" that the JW's use for "No Blood"and the patients wishes for life support. . They brought him one at the next weeks meeting. Then I had to explain everything on the sheets. ..They make it very confusing .Then a few days later ..one of the committee called ..late..to see if we were filling it out alright!..I said yes. I AM.
Funny..since he has been out of the hospital for over 3 months and only one visit by a brother..(Who couldn't hear and forgot to say a prayer! )..Such loving people!.
Real professionals...NOT!
Snoozy......
Edited by - Golden Girl on 20 December 2002 0:47:12
our last pastor (a great guy, a harvard grad and a ph.d.) said he would not marry persons with one address (they could live together and fornicate all they wished, they just could not flaunt it) and some condemned him for intolerance!
I know for a fact....that hubby and I would NOT be tgether if we weren't married before we lived together.....
But we took our vows seriously and stayed together...We raised three kids and am now glad we made it through the tough times! If we weren't married..we could have took off at anytime leaving the other one stranded..There is something to be said for "Commitement"!.
I like to think of it as a "Ball and chain"...
Snoozy..of the older and wiser class!
I feel like guys invented the "Live together" scene..so they could move on to something new ....easier....
If they want the milk..they gotta buy the cow!.....Yep!
OK..I guess I will be blasted now!
Be nice though..I let my unmarried son and his girlfriend live with us for a year before they got married!..It lasted 10 years..Of course they are divorced now..but her and I are great friends!(And 2 grandbabies)
